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26 May 2007 @ 03:03 pm
Here's another one~~  
So, I'm joining the complaint line. Most people know about this (since everyone's ranting about it), so I thought I'd add.

So, everybody's complaining about this new site www.fanlib.com, which is apparently intending to make money off fanfiction, and put fanfiction into media attention. One of the people who run the site started a big convo/fight with people at some HP comm or other, in which he completely dodged the profit making question.

Now, lots of people have mentioned the whole 'n00b' factor of the whole thing, and elitism of current fans wanting to keep it secular...certainly not commercialising it and making it 'mainstream'. After all, many people relish in having an obscure hobby.

But they may well not succeed. Most of the people who (in high school or otherwise) called anime/sci-fi/comic fans etc. freaks/geeks aren't going to have any interest in jumping ship, just because of a bad attempt to make it mainstream 'cool'.

Here's an example of what to expect:

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Now, I have joked 'don't they realise that in fandom we like skinny boys surrounded in pink?' But really, using muscular man to advertise fanfiction? Ehum. Next it'll be motorcycles and Paris Hilton lookalikes.

Also, it should be noted that you can import your fics from ff.net, which has been noted to be a major security flaw. Also, the concept to register pen-names so no-one claims them (and maybe posts people's own fics without their permission). Of course, it's been pointed out that this will only encourage the site and their sponsors/potential funders.

I've seen at least 2 people who think all this could be good. I've seen about 200 who disagree. That's not counting the pages upon pages of comments I've decided not to add (due to not paying attention).

And that's my own summary of what I know so far. I guess overall- oh dear.
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kurenai_tenka: Bluecat-Oh Noeskurenai_tenka on May 26th, 2007 02:26 pm (UTC)
Tell me about it. D=
Devourer of Chocolate and Souls: [TRC] Syao&Saku - stoopidreversedhymnal on May 26th, 2007 05:01 pm (UTC)

Why are people so ridiculous sometimes? Oi. The entire point of fanfiction is that it's a fanwork, and I'm sure the only reason we get away with it is because we don't make money off of it. I don't like legalities, and tended to twitch a lot in government class, but I'd imagine there'd be a whole lot of mess about licensing laws, at the very least.

kurenai_tenka: Hisoka PANTIES. XDkurenai_tenka on May 26th, 2007 06:57 pm (UTC)
(your avatar is SO appropriate. XD)

Yeah, that's what people kepy asking him, how were they making money, and he just kepy dodging the question. It's all a bit suspect. @.@
Besides, if it becomes mainstream like that, people will probably find a whole lot more problems with it, and more authors may ban it being done...@.@ (not that I'm in any American fandoms, but still. ^^;)

I AGREE. (neener neener. XD)
Dori: XF - Maritacleo_eurydike on May 26th, 2007 07:39 pm (UTC)
Not that the media hasn't noticed fanfiction before, fandom_lawyers.
kurenai_tenkakurenai_tenka on May 26th, 2007 08:30 pm (UTC)
Well I'm sure it has, although I've never seen news of it spread through communities/blogs etc in the same way as it is now before.

It simply could be over-reaction to their over aspirational attitude.
kurenai_tenka: Bluecat-Oh Noeskurenai_tenka on May 26th, 2007 08:37 pm (UTC)
Hmm, did you delete your other comment? It's only appearing with your name and my reply now...
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kurenai_tenkakurenai_tenka on May 26th, 2007 08:35 pm (UTC)
Aha~~ Maybe so. XD

I don't see how they could possibly get around it legally, without maybe going round and getting permission from every company the fiction is for (practically impossible in itself.)
Of course, they could earn the money from people subscribing to the site in some way...although when FF.net, AFF.net, LJ, Mediaminer etc are all free and more popular (and have been for a long time, so quantity would be hard to catch up with), their best bet is if they catch people who're so new they don't know that paying for such a thing is complete idiocy.

Maybe they're assuming that anything that has a big following for it can also have a paying market. *sigh*
Dori: XF - Maritacleo_eurydike on May 26th, 2007 08:41 pm (UTC)
yeah, I deleted it because I started perusing the site and some of the legal commentary and now I'm NOT SO SURE

but the idea of streamlining fandom, even if it's not forced, is still kinda silly to me.

And anyway, I don't like the website. The organization is nasty. I would not like to spend much time there.
Dori: XF - Maritacleo_eurydike on May 26th, 2007 08:49 pm (UTC)
company the fiction is for (practically impossible in itself.)

I challenge anyone to get in contact with Homer and Aeschylus for when I write my Achilles/Patroklus smut.

paying for such a thing
Where does it say they have to do that? Says here it's free.

From what I've gathered, they make their money through advertisers. The problem is when they print anthologies...looking into commentary on that.
Dori: XF - Maritacleo_eurydike on May 26th, 2007 09:32 pm (UTC)
summary of legitimate problems that've been pointed out
ah, and that they're looking to make money from corporate sponsors directly for use of fanfiction, not like, using advertising to offset the costs of the server, like FFN.net does.

so that's dangerous.

A problem pointed out was that if Fanlib gets sued, Fanlib might turn around and sue the fanfic authors for violating the TOS policy.

aaaaaand, gosh, what else

Oh. They're got a termination agreement that's dangerous to themselves more than fans.

BUT, Fanlibs has a bigwig entertainment industry lawyer on board, so don't think that they're completely dim. Aside from linking to Wikipedia FAQ, that is.
Dori: XF - Scully - Historycleo_eurydike on May 26th, 2007 09:38 pm (UTC)
Re: summary of legitimate problems that've been pointed out
Analysis of the TOS agreement question

oh deary dear

if someone sues FanLib for one of their users publishing some illegal, defamatory, or copyright-infringing material, and the courts determine that FanLib is a co-publisher of the material, that user is obliged under the ToS to participate as a co-defendant in the suit, and pay any and all court costs and attorney's fees.
kurenai_tenkakurenai_tenka on May 27th, 2007 10:43 am (UTC)
Re: summary of legitimate problems that've been pointed out
...ugh. That's dreadful.

FanLib may prepare derivative works from Your Submissions solely for the purpose of promoting and showcasing them in connection with the Website. And what author's going to want a 'derivative' work of there's used? Geez.
kurenai_tenkakurenai_tenka on May 27th, 2007 10:21 am (UTC)
Re: summary of legitimate problems that've been pointed out
Well, apparently they're part of some website, a company I can't remember, and MSN. To which the guy said that that would cover there costs, but refused to answer how they'd *make* money.

...using Wikipedia on a professional site? Now that's shoddy. I'm fine with wiki and all, but I don't think it's appropriate, especially since people are known to edit wiki so that it's purposely wrong.
kurenai_tenkakurenai_tenka on May 27th, 2007 10:15 am (UTC)
Ah well you're covered then. XD

When I said 'paying for it' I was referring to my previous hypothetical method they could make money. (I didn't mean the entire site being subscription, but paying as you would on....Deviantart or LJ for example.)

Printing anthologies? Ah geez. Well I did once see Amazon selling 'e-books' of fanfiction. And people have linked to lunatics who wants a hundred dollars for there disks of badly written Backstreet boys porn of something.

I saw the fandom_lawyers coverage of it. The umm....fandom_wank coverage I think had the link to where one of the maintainers showed up...I should've kept that for reference, and to see if they ever answered the money question/s.
Richard B Brookesrichsc on May 26th, 2007 08:41 pm (UTC)
On a whole, what you could do, is like, try and collate facts and try and inform as many people about the evils of this fanlib place as possible. Like, go onto forums, add articles to wikipedia, petiton big fanfic sites to make news articles about it, etc.

A campaign of information to turn people off the idea of joining the site, if you will.
kurenai_tenkakurenai_tenka on May 26th, 2007 09:03 pm (UTC)
^_^ It's already all over lj and blogs...

Thing is people are joining it who are anti it just to get their names reserved. ^^;
Bri: Seishirou- What the Fuck?rationelle on May 27th, 2007 01:56 am (UTC)
... Ohmyhead.
kurenai_tenka: Bluecat-Oh Noeskurenai_tenka on May 27th, 2007 10:05 am (UTC)
Right there with you. D=